<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Just looking around the sub there's a surprising amount of posts with a score of 0.</p>
<p>If you guys keep downvoting everything that moves, people are going to get discouraged and not bother posting anymore.</p>
<p>If you don't like it - just don't upvote! 1 is SO much better then 0.</p>
<p>NOTE: Not a butt-hurt poster, just a casual passer by who loves Go and wants to be part of a <em>happy</em> community.</p>
<hr/>**评论：**<br/><br/>dlsniper: <pre><p>I'm really happy when I downvote downright stupid posts, others have their own reasons. Not down voting them would make me unhappy. I prefer down voting to telling people they are wrong because it's time consuming and many times frustrating (mostly because they don't bother using the very essential tool called: search before you post). I'm part of the community. How do you keep me happy given this condition?</p>
<p>If you get sad because your post is down voted then the correct question to ask is: how can I improve my post? What can I do better next time? Can I learn something from this?</p>
<p>You also have to take into account that sometimes people are just assholes like me and downvote for the fun of it.</p>
<p>Other times downvoting is used to keep people away from truly bad content. Why not have such a tool? Or do you suggest that the admins should remove low quality content? That would be worse right?</p>
<p>So yeah, I see your point but how about having people to do some research before they post? Or maybe, just maybe, realize than nothing in life is all nice and shinny and negative votes are not the end of the world but rather an opportunity to keep improving themselves?</p>
<p>P. S. Ordering people what to do (the ! At the end of the post title) is another good way to attract downvotes.</p></pre>rhishikeshj: <pre><p>So you say you down vote because you dont want to spend effort in telling someone they haven't spent more efforts on the post ?
Second, if there is no feedback, is the OP supposed to guess what is wrong and learn from his own guesses ? Wouldn't it be more productive to spend 5 minutes and tell someone how they can improve ?
You're just a very lazy asshole. I hope you dont ever be in a position to teach anybody anyone with that attitude</p></pre>dlsniper: <pre><blockquote>
<p>So you say you down vote because you dont want to spend effort in telling someone they haven't spent more efforts on the post ?</p>
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<p>If it's the nth time a question or subject comes up, with no new ideas behind it, yes. How does that make me different than the poster who didn't took 10 seconds to check for similar questions? </p>
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<p>if there is no feedback, is the OP supposed to guess what is wrong and learn from his own guesses ?</p>
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<p>And if I leave feedback to use the search functionality I get downvoted as well, sometimes more than the OP. </p>
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<p>Wouldn't it be more productive to spend 5 minutes and tell someone how they can improve ?</p>
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<p>Of course it would be. And I do that nor am I encouraging people to do it. But what I've done with my comment was to push an extreme out and show the OP another side of the conversation.</p>
<p>Do you think than everyone has the time for that? Can people not be allowed to be lazy assholes and still be part of a community? If that's the case, can you not see the moral problem of policing the community like that?</p>
<p>Imho, any community should be a self regulated one. One that allows for silly questions to be asked and answered over and over again while really toxic behavior is not allowed. Downvotes are not toxic, last I've checked, and anyone should be able to handle negativity because not everything is a free lunch.</p>
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<p>I hope you dont ever be in a position to teach anybody anyone with that attitude</p>
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<p>That is because of my very blunt response? Or because you've never seen me teaching people and you are just like that lazy asshole I'm describing that doesn't bother to leave feedback? </p>
<p>See how difficult it is?</p></pre>peterbourgon: <pre><p>Just to be totally clear: this is a really shitty and toxic attitude, and the less of it we have in this subreddit, the better.</p></pre>dlsniper: <pre><blockquote>
<p>Just to be totally clear: this is a really shitty and toxic attitude, and the less of it we have in this subreddit, the better.</p>
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<p>Wait, what? Why? Because I downvote posts? Or because I challenge the assumptions of someone and offer another point of view. Someone that's trying to order a whole community how to behave, nonetheless. Which by the way, it's not the first time it's being discussed.</p>
<p>Is it toxic to be different?</p></pre>peterbourgon: <pre><blockquote>
<p>I'm really happy when I downvote downright stupid posts</p>
<p>I prefer down voting to telling people they are wrong because it's time consuming</p>
<p>sometimes people are just assholes like me and downvote for the fun of it.</p>
<p>If you get sad because your post is down voted [<em>because I think you're downright stupid, or because I'm being an asshole</em>] then the correct question to ask is: how can I improve my post? What can I do better next time? Can I learn something from this?</p>
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<p>This toxicity is exactly what gives this subreddit a terrible reputation.</p></pre>dlsniper: <pre><p>Stupid posts != stupid people. Big difference, and you are putting words in my mouth with this one.</p>
<p>Also, nobody has any right to tell people how to use the voting feature. I prefer someone that downvotes without leaving a comment than to have to deal with someone that calls people stupid.</p>
<p>You chose to see toxicity where there was none. I drove an extreme point and this is comes up, people that would be more happy to hide their thoughts and feelings (or do it for others) than have them enabled to express themselves.</p>
<p>Why do you think the Slack and Reddit communities are so different? A lot of people here are there and vice-versa. And yet in Slack we don't have these kind of issues. And people are really nice to each-other and helpful. And even there you can still -1 a question / answer but people rarely do it. Maybe because there it's not anonymous but here it is. Who knows?</p></pre>puffybunion: <pre><p>You know, I wrote a whole spiel, but I realize there's not much I can say - you're an asshole and you yourself admit to that.</p>
<p>So why would anyone want to be a part of this community?</p></pre>tdewolff: <pre><p>Honestly, I'm not here to hoard upvotes so I don't really care about the occasional downvotes. Sure, it's being misused by some people and some are downright pessimists. You can compensate by giving upvotes ;-)</p>
<p>PS.: don't new posts start at 0 anyways?</p></pre>dlsniper: <pre><blockquote>
<p>PS.: don't new posts start at 0 anyways?</p>
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<p>At least here start at 1 because of the self-upvote that's done automatically.</p></pre>dlsniper: <pre><blockquote>
<p>So why would anyone want to be a part of this community?</p>
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<p>So... Based on a single response, of a single person in the community, you just judged and decided against the whole community? And you think that's good? Or fair to the community? The one which, by the way, you are ordering not to act or react as they are allowed to do? How does that make you better than me? Or the person I'm describing in the comment?</p>
<p>You try to take the moral high ground but the yourself say: nah, I won't help this person out, I won't have a discussion, I'll just back out in a way that makes me look superior to those who are really shallow and I'm done.</p>
<p>I've raised a number of points, and instead of a discussion you offer me the same reaction as the person I describe in my comment and then, after commanding a whole community how to behave (the ! at the end of the title is still there) you say naah, I'm better. Guess what. You are not.</p></pre>__crackers__: <pre><p>Having a few arseholes around keeps away the emotionally fragile SJWs, like the ones currently making a mess of the Node community.</p></pre>dlsniper: <pre><blockquote>
<p>Having a few arseholes around keeps away the emotionally fragile SJWs, like the ones currently making a mess of the Node community.</p>
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<p>Oh, but this is so not what I said. It's the people like you that people should be cautious of, not the drive-by downvoting ones.</p></pre>GentooMonk: <pre><p>Welcome to <a href="/r/golang" rel="nofollow">/r/golang</a>, one of the most toxic programming communities on reddit.</p>
<p>I completely agree.</p></pre>Sythe2o0: <pre><p>Downvotes are not in themselves a sign of toxicity. The idea that we should not vote something down because "1 is better than 0" is silly, that just arbitrarily changes the number the community determines something with no value should have. </p></pre>puffybunion: <pre><p>Wow, I didn't expect much in the way of responses, but what dlsniper completely caught me by surprise.</p></pre>peterbourgon: <pre><p>Please don't put too much stock in the toxic responses of an admitted asshole. He doesn't speak for the community, and certainly not for the moderation team.</p></pre>0xjnml: <pre><blockquote>
<p>Please don't put too much stock in the toxic responses of an admitted asshole. He doesn't speak for the community, and certainly not for the moderation team.</p>
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<p>No one speaks for the community even though some self-appointees pretend they do.</p>
<p>Also, I'm quite surprised that an moderator calls anyone here an "admitted asshole". Exempla trahunt. I wonder, do you have the decency to step down?</p></pre>0xjnml: <pre><p>Proudly downvoted.</p></pre>
